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Steve: So what does that say, if anything, about the Kindle-killer aspect of the iPad. I have a Kindle, I've had a Kindle for a little more than a year now and I'm still using it, even though there's an iPad in the world-it's true.

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Steve: So Jason, I just spotted you with a Kindle. We all talked in my cabin on a Holland America ship, The Veendam. Joining us is the Scientific Web site editor, Robin Lloyd, who also made the trip. I had a chance to talk on the ship to Jason Snell, editorial director of MacWorld, and to Peter Watling, one of the world's foremost app developers. Yes, it's a tough life, but somebody has to do it. As you heard in last week's talk with David Pogue, I recently returned from MacMania, a weeklong series of lectures about Apple products that took place on a cruise ship that sailed from New York City to Bermuda and back. Steve: Welcome to Science Talk, the weekly podcast of Scientific American hosted on May 19th, 2010. MacWorld editorial director Jason Snell and app developer Peter Watling talk with podcast host Steve Mirsky (pictured) about the iPad, computer culture and apps, aboard a cruise ship in the Atlantic during MacMania, produced by.